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I just knew that today of all days that there would be a problem at the bar. After today I will be looking for myself on YouTube.

Had to remove a guy from the bar and he like everyone thinks they can do whatever they want and that they know better than us.

Once I asked the guy to leave and he refused to comply promptly, he puts me in the position to remove him from the building. He refuses to put his drink down and then resits my attempt to escort him from the building.

I went to gooseneck his left but my right wasn't able to get the lock the way I wanted so I torqued a ton with my left. He resisted so much that I was afraid of snapping his wrist so I loosened up and let him go to get a different lock. At this point he hits me.

My sister hits harder, but it pissed me off. So I headlock this guy and charged out the door with this joker. Our forward momentum put us on the ground. As my partners got there and we let him calm down we released him to go on his way. As we were on our way back into the bar he runs up and hits me and my sup in the back of the head.
Again we put him down. As we prefer not to have the cops there we end up letting him go again and just as soon as we let him up he swings again hitting me in the head one more time.

Again we put him down. This time we cuff him and call LAPD. He stays on the ground till they get there.

Everyone wants to get involved. Everyone thinks they know better. Eventually we have LAPD let him go. But the battery report against him was taken and informed that he could never return to Chinatown.

My restraint was pushed to it's limits. But by not hitting this guy it only strengthened my position.

It really is funny how tough most guys think they are. Even when they go against someone whose job it is to physically remove others from the property. They don't know who this other person may be, what they know or what they are capable of.

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Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 21, 2011 at 12:47am
This is a prime example of why we always use backup, regardless of what anyone knows.
Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 21, 2011 at 12:46am
I'd knee cap a b!tch. Head control and a knockout. Not just any knockout but what we call a brain reset. It's done by executing knife edge palm strikes to specific places just above the temple.
Comment by Wael on March 20, 2011 at 10:53pm
Wow. If you had to fight a guy like this on your own, what would you do?
Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 20, 2011 at 2:11pm

After some more discussion on the guy who was the problem and going over all the events we have come to believe that he may have been high on cocaine. For a guy of his size he had a lot of strength and pain resistance as well as a ton of energy. 

 

The pain resistance sounds like many a story I have heard about people on harder drugs. Even if I snapped his wrist he wouldn't have stopped. He was slammed into the ground very hard 3 times and still did not calm down. at one point I even put my knee on his mandible to hold him down. Every other time I have done this the extreme pain makes people stop. Not this guy. It took my boss who is about 230, sitting on his back and me driving my knife edges down into his mandible and temple with all my body weight just to keep this guy down. We had him on the ground for what seemed like an hour, thought I know it wasn't. Prob. half that time, before he calmed down. By the time the cops got there he was about normal. He didn't even remember that I was the guy he was hitting. He and my boss said that his actions were out of character. I had no problem shaking his hand at the end, but he would need a hand written letter of character from God himself before he will ever be allowed back.

Comment by Paul Meek on March 19, 2011 at 9:11pm
My Master is an ex copper and I cant remember the number of times he has regaled stories of idiots going for a second go when he had let them be on their merry way ..... eventually he changed his tactics and always tells us its not over until its over. He was attacked in front of our dojang by 3 clowns and he took them out, one had his elbow snapped and still came at him swinging .............. sometimes TKO is the only way to go. Not that you could have done that in your position but it is a good message "its not over until its over"
Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 18, 2011 at 3:19pm
We try and keep the cops out of it as much as possible. The last thing you want is the cops getting so familiar with the bar that the city shuts it down, but last night we really didn't have a choice. We always say that we are security and safety, not bouncers. We don't carry that particular mindset.
Comment by Wael on March 18, 2011 at 2:42pm
I worked (very briefly) in a market in a bad neighborhood in SF. The policy was not to call the police every time a junkie tried to steal, otherwise they'd be calling the cops all day long. The policy was to beat the junkie with a crowbar or bat, and eject them. I quit that job quickly, because that was not what I wanted to feed my spirit.
Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 18, 2011 at 12:51pm
People are lucky we are not one of these bars in downtown L.A. There they take you out back and beat you before throwing you on the street.
Comment by Daniel McCullar on March 18, 2011 at 12:33pm
Always. Everyone thinks they know the law or what is best to do. What people don't realize is that it is not my job to fight. Punching back is something we only do when it truly turns into a self defense situation. There were 3 of us there so it never got to that.
Comment by Wael on March 18, 2011 at 10:54am
Well you showed admirable restraint. What about the "everyone wants to get involved" part? Were other patrons trying to tell you what to do?

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